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I've never worked with an established music producer before, I've never really worked with anyone really before, like co-written, I've always kind of just been solo so it's kind of nervous enough cos I don't really know that process works, especially with such an established song writer as well. Hello.


(Simon Ellis) Hello! How are ya?

(Sheila) I'm good thank you, how are you?

(Simon) Good. Come in.

(Sheila) I'm quite scared about the song we're going to write because he has written for people like S Club 7 and as great and popular as they were, they were quite cheesy and I don't want to kind of be that image.

(Simon) Yeah, so what I thought I'd do today is just get some ideas together and then bounce them around. Is that alright?

(Sheila) I've never really co-written before with anyone so it's a bit strange for me really.

(Simon) I've been musical director East 17, Jamelia, The Spice Girls, and S Club 7 and I'm about to begin on the Britney Spears 2009 circus tour

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On the song writing side, I've written songs and hits for S Club 7, Steps, Javine and a host of other people. (Laughter) Maybe not!

(Guitar)

(Sheila) Even if it turns out that I don't like the song, it's definitely gonna be an amazing experience; it's not every day you get to go up to a really good writers house and like co-write with him, it's, it's really amazing. (Guitar) Yeah. I like that.

(Simon) See, it's got the commercial melody; it would need your left of centre lyrics. I'm giving her my time because it's really important for people like me; song writers and producers like me to find new talent and to nurture new talent and if we find something that we think yeah, you know what, let's give that a go then it has to be worth doing because you just don't know, you know, you never know. Sing it. 1,2,3,4

(Sheila Sings) I've been sitting waiting for me to grow, with time on my shoulders.

(Simon) Her song writing ability's fabulous, she's got a really, really good talent. She's a great lyricist, she's writing lyrics that are far beyond her years. How old are you?

(Sheila) 18

(Simon) You sicken me. (Laughter) You sicken me. Go on, get out. Unbelievable. She's good, in't she? (Laughter)

(Sheila sings) I should have known better than to do it on my own.

I think the song is a lot more poppy than my usual stuff. It's kind of where I've gone back to my roots. I really like it.

(Sheila's song) I should have known better than to do it on my own. And it's alright for the road to be sure, one foot in front of the other, sounds easy enough, sounds easy enough.

(Sheila) Yay!

(Simon) Cool Job done. I thought Sheila did a fabulous job and it's not often that it turns out like this you know, writing a song with somebody that you've never met before, you know, it's really turned out well yeah. She's great. Really impressed. One CD, job done.

(Sheila) Yeah! I think this could be the start of me writing some more kind of commercial music. If I want to sustain myself in the music industry then I do need to become a lot more commercial and a lot of people need to be liking what I'm doing so I definitely need to steer down a commercial root. I just don't really want to kind of lose myself in it.

(Simon) I would never ever say whatever you do, don't have a career in the music business, of course not, it's a fantastic industry to be in. You've just got to; you've got to be really, really prepared that you've got much more chance of you not making it than you have of making it.